Tuesday, May 5, 2009

Texas Secession?


It's widely debated on whether or not Texas has the legal right to secede from the Union. Some argue that the Civil War took that right away from Texas, others argue that parts of the Texas Constitution put the ultimate decision in the hands of the people. A recent reference to Texas' right to secede in a speech by Governor Perry got a lot of people riled up.


It's a crazy idea to consider. I think Texas could fix the Mexico-Texas border problem overnight. But we would also inherit a lot more border to deal with along our other boundaries. I wonder who would get NASA? Do you think Austin would apply to be a Union province located within Texadonia? Maybe a better strategy would be to define the new Texadonia borders as the original Southwest Airlines triangle (Houston-Dallas-San Antonio) and let the US have the rest (sorry Kelly and Vanessa, just get yourself and families back inside the triangle before it's too late). I think it raises an even more fundamental question, do you consider yourself an American then a Texan or the other way around? I think it's a moot point, I don't think the US would ever let Texas leave the union anyway. They would send troops, we would fight for a few years, and then we would eventually make some kind of treaty and end up being annexed by the US again anyway. I think something really horrific would have to happen in order for the Republic of Texas to ever try and leave the Union, but never say never.

28 comments:

  1. Whenever people hear me talk over here they ask if I'm American. I always tell them, "Well, technically, yes. But really I'm Texan." They always seem to act more favorably to the fact that I'm from Texas rather than just any ordinary state. You're absolutely right, though, in saying America would never let us secede without a fight. The union would be severely crippled without us. I also think Texas greatly benefits from its membership in the union. But if that's what y'all wanna do, count me in.

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  2. If we were to secede, where would we stand on slavery?

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  3. Of course there would be a fight, but thanks to the nuclear weapons factory in Amarillo (shhh don't tell the Ruskies) and the fact that we control a huge chunk of the nation's oil and rifining capabilities (more than enough for Texas alone) we'd win. Besides, who are they going to send to fight us? When they send troops into battle now, it's Texans leading the way. Just look at Audie Murphy, the most decorated soldier in US history. Born and raised in Sulpher Springs, TEXAS!

    Texas can sustain without the rest of the US. We have more than enough commodities to fund our economy. We obviously have oil, beef, cotton, timber, illegal immigrants., etc We've got it made!

    I'm not for secession, but we could certainly survive if it happened. REMEMBER THE ALAMO, BIZNITCHES!!!

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  4. I wish Texas Independence Day were, at the very least, as big as the Fourth of July and Cinco de Mayo in Texas. It's a shame it's not.

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  5. Drastic actions need to be taken for any kind of real change to happen. Back in the day it was a revolution where people armed themselves and started killing people. While I would support this mode of action as well, I think an equally strong statement would be the succession of Texas.

    Maybe Texas could show that a state can govern itself based up the wants and needs of the actual population and can also work with a larger regulatory body (the U.S. national government) to resolve any disputes between Texas and any other state. If we can show that a limited national government is a good thing, maybe the rest of the U.S. would follow suit.

    So I guess I am for the succession of Texas and all that it entails. Also, once we're on our own, maybe we could pass House Bills 164 and 902. Google them and maybe you agree.

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  6. se⋅ces⋅sion   /sɪˈsɛʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [si-sesh-uhn] Show IPA
    –noun 1. an act or instance of seceding.
    2. (often initial capital letter) U.S. History. the withdrawal from the Union of 11 Southern states in the period 1860–61, which brought on the Civil War.
    3. (usually initial capital letter) Fine Arts. a style of art in Germany and Austria concurrent with and related to Art Nouveau.



    suc⋅ces⋅sion   /səkˈsɛʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [suhk-sesh-uhn] Show IPA
    –noun 1. the coming of one person or thing after another in order, sequence, or in the course of events: many troubles in succession.
    2. a number of persons or things following one another in order or sequence.
    3. the right, act, or process, by which one person succeeds to the office, rank, estate, or the like, of another.
    4. the order or line of those entitled to succeed one another.
    5. the descent or transmission of a throne, dignity, estate, or the like.
    6. Also called ecological succession. Ecology. the progressive replacement of one community by another until a climax community is established.

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  7. it's a good thing you didn't post your name

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  8. Wait then does Justin want Texas to secede or just be successful? :)

    I was not the anonymous poster.

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  9. Crap - I was not paying any attention there. Secession is obviously what I meant. And whoever corrected me, grow some balls and don't be anonymous.

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  10. Oh you're right Vanessa, sorry anonymous, my bad. If we're going to start being like that again then Casey, it's refining, not rifining.

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  11. Sorry gang. I'm posting from my phone and posting annonymously doesn't seem to have the errors that come with posting under my google account. Although, this is the 3rd time I've had to type outthis apology. Damn metal plate in my head. Right jake? Blue screens for life!!! - ccc

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  12. I am a Texan first and then an American...so I am a Texamerican too. Second, Texas should not secede from the union, that is just stupid. Just because people can't get there way they should not quite and go off on their own, they should try to work it out and compromise.

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  13. Yeah Jake, that technological black sheep has messed up our U-verse too. I came home last night and couldn't get on the internet and the TV signal was super choppy. Who had been home all day surfing the net and watching TV just itching to jack it up? That's right, Casey.

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  14. Kevin - If the majority of Texans decided they wanted to successfully secede from the union....what would you do? Considering you feel it is a bad idea, but also saying you are a Texan first then an American?

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  15. So what is the argument against a Texas secession? All I've seen is Kevin's stance that secession is a stupid idea. But, in response to your reason why it is dumb Kevin, I call you a damn Redcoat! You would have been one of the suckers allowing British soldiers to squat in your house, eat your food, and probably shag your wife while your fellow "countrymen" try to work it out and compromise for the next 5 years.

    All I am saying is that if there is a good reason or a major politcal statement to be made, I am 100% in favor of a Texas secession. Please correct me if I am missing something...

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  16. I would accept secession if it was a major issue, but I have not seen one in the pass history that I would be in favor. I would have favored secession from the British and fought for it too. I guess my point is secession is not a word I would throw around lightly. I would not move out of Texas if it happened, but I might not support it. For example, I would have not supported secession during the civil war. As far as it being legal, yes I think it is and of all states I think Texas has the highest chance for legal reasons. With that said, succession of any state would only happen with a war.

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  17. I can think of plenty of arguments against it:

    1. Without protection from the US government, illegal aliens from Mexico would be crossing our border in mass numbers and we would be helpless to stop it...oh wait, that's how it is now.
    2. Well if we leave the Union you can forget about your share of social security...oh wait, I forgot that our social security system isn't solvent and is being depleted so quickly that our generation won't see a dime of it anyway.
    3. Well our national flag wouldn't be red, white, and blue anymore...oh wait, our state flag could just become our national flag and stay the same colors.
    4. We wouldn't have the economic strength of the rest of the US cities and states to back us up...oh wait I forgot, our state is economically much stronger than most other cities and states and is not on the verge of collapse like California and Michigan's economy.
    5. Ok I finally thought of one. If we secede from the Union, you'll need twice the airline miles to travel because everything will be considered international, not domestic.

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  18. But Texas is so great, so why leave for travel...beside vegas of course. And for the flag, would we keep our state flag or go back to our national flag.
    6. Six Flags would have to change their name to Seven Flags over Texas.

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  19. I am in favor of the successful secession of Texas (Casey--double check me on this but I think this sentence is correct).

    Texas has plenty of oil, people, land and money. Why do we need the Union? We have beaches, deserts, mountains, valleys, ranches farms....wait a minute. Why am I moving to New Mexico? I'm staying put! Texas is the best place in the world!!!

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  20. I am confused....Kevin are you for or against this?
    I haven't heard any negatives yet except air travel.

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  21. Don't worry Nancy, once the Republic issues me my new passport, I'll come visit you in NM. Cindy won't be joining me though, because I only have enough miles for one international ticket.

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  22. Justin--I have to agree with you about House Bills 164 and 902. Surely there are more important crimes (and criminals) to worry about!

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  23. Here are some little known, very interesting facts about Texas !

    1. Beaumont to El Paso : 742 miles

    2. Beaumont to Chicago : 770 mile

    3. El Paso is closer to California than to Dallas

    4. World's first rodeo was in Pecos , July 4, 1883.

    5. The Flagship Hotel in Galveston is the only hotel in North America built over water.

    6. The Heisman Trophy was named after John William Heisman who was the first full-time coach for Rice University in Houston .

    7. Brazoria County has more species of birds than any other area in North America .

    8. Aransas Wildlife Refuge is the winter home of North America 's only remaining flock of whooping cranes.

    9. Austin is considered the live music capital of the world.

    10. The worst natural disaster in U.S. history was in 1900 caused by a hurricane in which over 8,000 lives were lost on Galveston Island .


    11. The first word spoken from the moon, July 20,1969,was "Houston"
    12. King Ranch in South Texas is larger than Rhode Island .

    13. Tropical Storm Claudette brought a US rainfall record of 43" in 24 hours in and around Alvin in July 1979.

    14. Texas is the only state to enter the U.S. by TREATY, (known as Constitution of 1845 by Republic of Texas to enter the union) instead of by annexation. This allows the Texas flag (and the ONLY state) to fly at the same height as the US flag, and Texas may divide into 4 States.

    15. A Live Oak tree near Fulton is estimated to be 1,500 years old.

    16. Caddo Lake is the only natural lake in the state.

    17. Dr Pepper was invented in Waco in 1885. There is no period after "Dr" in Dr Pepper.

    18. In 1836 five sites served as temporary capitals of Texas: Washington-on-the-Brazos: Harrisburg: Galveston: Velasco: and Columbia. Sam Houston moved the capital to Houston in 1837 to where the Houston Chronicle and the Rice Hotel is now today on Texas Ave. In 1839 the capital was moved to the new town of Austin.

    19. The Capitol Dome in Austin is the only dome in the U.S which is taller than the Capitol Building in Washington D.C. (by 7 feet).

    20. The name Texas comes from the Hasini Indian word "tejas" meaning friends. Tejas is not Spanish for Texas !

    21. The State animal is the Armadillo. (An interesting bit of trivia about the armadillo is they always have four babies! They have one egg, which splits into four, and they either have four males or four females.)

    22. The first domed stadium in the U.S. was the Astrodome in Houston.23. Texas' largest county is Brewster with 6,208 square miles. Connecticut (5,544 Sq Mi), Delaware (2,489 Sq Mi) and Rhode Island (1,545 Sq Mi) can fit inside this country.
    23. Texas is home to Dell and Compaq computers and central Texas is often referred to as the Silicon Valley of the south.
    24. The King Ranch itself near Corpus Christi is larger than the state of Rhode Island, includes 50,000 head of cattle and more than 2,000 miles of fence.

    25. The Dallas-Fort Worth area has more residents - 6,145,037 - than 31 U.S. states. For example, Colorado has about 4.9 million residents.

    26. Texas is the only state to have the flags of 6 different nations fly over it. They are: Spain, France, Mexico, Republic of Texas, Confederate States, and the United States.


    27. Although six flags have flown over Texas, there have been eight changes of government: Spanish 1519-1685, French 1685-1690, Spanish 1690-1821, Mexican 1821-1836, Republic of Texas 1836-1845, United States 1845-1861, Confederate States 1861-1865, United States 1865-present

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  24. Nancy - good job on the Texas facts! Here's to a successful secession in 2010!!!

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  25. Who would win in a war between the US and Texas?

    I've got three words for the United States Military: "WALKER TEXAS RANGER" ... Hey Joint Chiefs of Staff, go rent Delta Force and Side Kicks, then let me know if you're still wanting to bring this fight. Suck it Army of One!

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  26. If that doesn't convince them, maybe this will.....

    There is no 'ctrl' button on Chuck Norris's computer. Chuck Norris is always in control.

    Chuck Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

    Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one bird.

    When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.

    Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

    There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

    Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

    Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.

    Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.

    When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.

    Chuck Norris is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head.

    Chuck Norris’ hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush.

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